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Tuesday, September 16, 2009
A tallit-and-tefillin-wearing woman in a traditional Conservative synagogue?! An unorthodox—and non-orthodox—perspective on Jews and Judaism from a perpetual misfit. This blog, welcoming the entire Jewish community, is dedicated to those who take Judaism seriously, but not necessarily literally.
“ . . . My understanding is that rabbinical interpretations of Jewish law were handed down orally by G-d to Moses on
As you can see, there's a reason why I'm not exactly known as a paragon of diplomacy. Much as I try to behave myself on my blog, I think that Dilbert, an Orthodox Jew, was much more respectful in this nicely-reasoned response than I was in this post.
dilbert said...
“. . . I accept the Talmud as interpreted on down the line, as authoritative. However, to paraphrase my father-in-law, it is the substance of the Talmud that is authoritative, not the specific conclusions. In other words, the Talmud gives us a number of options. I cant reject an opinion because I think that Rabbi was mistaken, or had a bad day. However, I can conclude that a different stated opinion should be followed. Remember, the Talmud is not a monolithic set of laws carefully and systematically set fowards. There are many conflicting opinions that are sometimes reconciled, and sometimes not. Using our tradition, we have to find the right path among the many."
This isn't a rhetorical question. Look at the response Brooklyn Wolf got when he asked whether it's really such a terrible thing for a man to behave in a civil manner toward women. Not only did Brooklyn Wolf, who's Orthodox, come under attack for stating his own opinions, he was even attacked for letting others state our own views without having our comments deleted:
Shira Salamone said...
Somehow, this issur (prohibition) against talking to women under most circumstances strikes me as remarkably similar to the issur of kol isha (the prohibition against a man listening to a woman sing). In my opinion, both prohibitions seem to indicate that the rabbis had a very low opinion of the ability of males to control themselves sexually. I would say that not only are the issurim (prohibitions) themselves an insult to women, the attitudes on which these issurim appear to be based are an insult to men.
Aaron S. said...
I am quite astounded that the blog owner here has allowed to stand many comments that are clearly Mevazeh Talmidei Chochomim and are openly Bizayon HaTorah.
If this isn't hefkeiros and apikores mamesh, nothing is.
Yes, the opinion that I presented in that comment is my honest opinion. Yes, this is the way I think and express myself, both when writing and when speaking--as the saying goes, "I call them as I see them." And yes, from an Orthodox perspective, it's "apikores mamesh," which I believe means "truly heretical."
My husband and I have discussed this issue, and we both have the same problem. We both take Judaism "seriously, but not necessarily literally," as I wrote in the masthead to this blog. And both of us have a very difficult time conceiving of belonging to a community that, no matter how observant we became, would toss us out if we ever stated our true opinions on matters of Jewish law and/or belief in public.
From a few weeks ago: On the occasion of the opening of Yeshivat Maharat
From this past Friday: On the occasion of Yeshivat Hadar becoming a year-round program
“ . . .a senior Israeli official said Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has . . “been telling European leaders that he wants to withdraw from areas of the West Bank, but that he has to be sure Israel will be able to defend itself,” said the official. “He said that if
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“To avoid that, he said he preferred not to give up territory,” the official said.
Alpher pointed out that this same scenario has happened in both southern
“If the international community in its collective judicial wisdom punishes us for defending ourselves from cross-border attacks from land we withdrew from ... we have to be careful not to put ourselves in this position again,” said Alpher, who is also co-editor of the Israeli-Palestinian Web site BitterLemons.com. “If our hands are tied as far as responding militarily, then this is a consideration against withdrawal that we didn’t have before,” he noted.
Before the UN Human Rights Council endorsed the Goldstone report in
Labels: Hadar--https://www.hadar.org/
This framing problem manifests itself in subtle ways. When we refer to Jews of other denominations as "more religious" or "more observant," we undermine our own standards of religious observance, and judge ourselves on a scale external to our own Judaism.
Consider this phrase: "I'm not shomer Shabbat: Every week I light candles after sundown and then drive to synagogue." The speaker obviously observes Shabbat but is allowing someone else to define what Shabbat observance means.
Furthermore, one version of this frame (problematic even for Orthodox Jews) equates "religious observance" solely with ritual observance. "The whole issue of intermarriage is fraught with difficulties. How do we support conversion by those who've married into the Jewish family but haven't yet joined it? How do we welcome people while still maintaining appropriate distinctions between Jews and non-Jews? I don't have a clue.
I think these are shots of the New York Life building (nice close-up here), but I wouldn't swear to it.
Some subway trivia, for the benefit of non-New Yorkers:
The Interborough Rapid Transit/IRT, Brooklyn-Manhattan Transit/BMT, and Independent/IND subway lines were integrated into one New York City Transportation Authority system years ago, but, due to the originally-separate construction, different trains may be necessary for the originally-different lines because the trains aren't all the same width! [No joke--the former IRT lines have narrower cars than the former IND lines.] Hat-tip: a long-ago landlord of mine who was a train buff.
I wasn't too happy with that comment at the time, as you can see from my response, but I must admit that Reb Barry does raise an interesting point.
On the other hand, so does Reb Dov.
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The page-number-calling issue was raised when I was a gabbai at the egal minyan at JTS during rabbinical school. Our answer was, "People from the community come here to daven and say kaddish. The extra few seconds it takes to keep them with the kahal is a small price to pay for fulfilling the mitzvah of hakh'nasat or'h.im (hospitality to visitors).
How can synagogues or minyanim accommodate those still in the learning stage without making long-time pray-ers feel that their own prayer experience is being interfered with?
See my April 10, 2010 follow-up post, The pace and scheduling of public prayer.